Appendix
Nine--
Idris:
The Prophet of Islam?Source:
http://www.geocities.com/queball23/Idrisprophet.html The
Quran is a book of many weird prophets mentioned that have no biblical parallel
to the Old or New Testament. You read the Quran and you find many strange prophets
mentioned. One of these strange prophets is Idris. For a book that claims to be
the eternal word of God, the Quran really falls short, in comparison to the Bible,
in explaining about these prophets. Moses
is a prophet in the bible who is given extensive coverage about his life, his
activities and his leadership of the Hebrew people out of Egypt. In the Quran,
the same thing is also shown. However we already know about these prophets long
before the Quran so it doesn't really help in trying to reiterate about them again.
All the Quran basically does is just repeat the bible in many passages or it adds
to the bible accounts with stories we don't find, except in the Quran itself.
Who are
these other prophets in the Quran that the Bible seems to forget or leave out?
With the exception of Dhul Qarnin, we don't know. If the Quran claims to be the
inspired word of God then how come we don't find any information at all telling
us how these prophets preached the message of God and how they were themselves
chosen to follow God? Surely God would seem bright enough to provide answers to
potential questions concerning the appearance of new prophets not found in the
bible. However it seems that the Quran itself is suspect due to the fact that
these prophets aren't elaborated on more than the mere mention or their name in
a verse which is surrounded by other well-known prophets. One of these prophets
mentioned in the Quran is Idris. Idris wasn't discussed in the entire Quran except
in about 2 scriptures Surah
19.56 Also
mention in the Book Idr�s: he was a man of truth (and sincerity), (and) a prophet: 21.85
And (remember) Ismail, Idr�s, and Zulkifl, all (men) of constancy and patience; The
Quran tells us in Surah 19:56 that Idris was to be mentioned in the book by Muhammad.
Surely this book can't be the bible due to the fact that Mr. Idris doesn't exist
at all! In the Quran we also see nothing about Idris other than his name. What
is there to mention about Idris? Apparently Muhammad didn't know since he obviously
didn't mention anything in the book (Quran). How was Idris a man of truth? How
was Idris a prophet? The Quran gives no explanation of whatsoever. When did Idris
live? Again, no explanation from the Quran. Who was Idris a prophet too? Again
no answers found. Surah
21:85 says that Muslims must remember Ishmael, and Iris, along with others. The
Quran continues by saying that all were men of constancy and patience. We know
about Ishmael from the bible but again we don't find nothing mentioned by the
Quran concerning how Idris is. How was exactly Idris a man of patience? We don't
know but due to blind faith and nothing to go own, Muslims must believe this message
in the Quran. So who is Idris? Here is what a Muslim named Naim said: Idris
is Enoch which is clear from the Quranic and hadith texts you fool! Naim's
assertions are also verified by this source and may be the common assertion of
Muslims today Idris,
commonly identified with the Biblical Enoch is commemorated as a saint and a prophet
whom god raised to a lofty station. Ismael and Idris are also referred to in the
Sura of the Prophets, together with ZulKifl (believed to be an Arabicised form
of Ezekiel). They are qualified as men of constancy and patience, whom God admitted
to his mercy for they were among the righteous (A Guide to the Contents o of the
Quran, Sherif, Faruq, pg. 94 Garnett, 1995, ISBN 1 85964 045 1)Naim
calls me a fool for not accepting this idea but lets investigate his claims to
see the parallels of Enoch and Idris. We will also see whether Idris is indeed
Enoch as Muslims like Naim claim. Read Genesis 5:21-24: So
all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died. Enoch
lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. After he begot Methuselah, Enoch
walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters. So all the days
of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. And Enoch walked with God; and
he was not, for God took him. Hebrews
11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found,
because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony,
that he pleased God for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased
God.
Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying,
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying,
Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,In
order for us to make Idris be Enoch we have to find in both the Quran and the
Hadith evidence of Idris doing these things like Enoch that the bible, which was
in existence before Islam, mentioned. It seemed like a great prophet like Idris
should be accompanied with proof in the so-called word of God which the Quran
claims to be. However, there is no such evidence from both the Quran and the Hadith,
look at the 2 previous scriptures mentioned earlier from the Quran, these are
the only 2 that mention Idris: Surah
19.56 Also
mention in the Book Idr�s: he was a man of truth (and sincerity), (and) a prophet: 21.85
And (remember) Ismail, Idr�s, and Zulkifl, all (men) of constancy and patience; None
of these scriptures show anything about Idris performing anything close to the
actions of Enoch. They just mention his name and that's all. Does the Hadith give
any more light on this evidence? Let see: (note: If the Hadith is to long to post
the part dealing specifically with Idris will be shown, this is not to post out
of context but to keep the reader focused. There are many hadiths that are long
in which more than one topic is discussed) Volume
1, Book 8, Number 345: Narrated
Abu Dhar: Allah's
Apostle said, "While I was at Mecca the roof of my house was opened and Gabriel
descended, opened my chest, and washed it with Zam-zam water. Then he brought
a golden tray full of wisdom and faith and having poured its contents into my
chest, he closed it. Then he took my hand and ascended with me to the nearest
heaven, when I reached the nearest heaven, Gabriel said to the gatekeeper of the
heaven, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered:
'Gabriel.' He asked, 'Is there anyone with you?' Gabriel replied, 'Yes, Muhammad
I is with me.' He asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' So the gate
was opened and we went over the nearest heaven and there we saw a man sitting
with some people on his right and some on his left. When he looked towards his
right, he laughed and when he looked toward his left he wept. Then he said, 'Welcome!
O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' He replied, 'He
is Adam and the people on his right and left are the souls of his offspring. Those
on his right are the people of Paradise and those on his left are the people of
Hell and when he looks towards his right he laughs and when he looks towards his
left he weeps.' Then he ascended with me till he reached the second heaven and
he (Gabriel) said to its gatekeeper, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper said to
him the same as the gatekeeper of the first heaven had said and he opened the
gate. 'Welcome! O pious Prophet
and pious brother.' The Prophet asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Idris."
The Prophet added, "I passed by Moses and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet
and pious brother.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Moses.'
Then I passed by Jesus and he said, 'Welcome! O pious brother and pious Prophet.'
I asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Jesus. This
Hadith tells us that Idris was in heaven but again no answer as to what type of
activities Idris performed to get there as a prophet. If Idris was Enoch, why
didn't Muhammad elaborate more on him in the Quran or Hadith to prove this statement?
Volume 4, Book 54, Number
429: Narrated
Malik bin Sasaa: The
Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness,
(an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full
of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat
to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water
and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief. Al-Buraq, a white animal, smaller
than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me and I set out with Gabriel.
When I reached the nearest heaven. Gabriel said to the heaven gate-keeper, 'Open
the gate.' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' He said, 'Gabriel.' The gate-keeper,'
Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel said, 'Muhammad.' The gate-keeper said, 'Has
he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What
a wonderful visit his is!' Then I met Adam and greeted him and he said, 'You are
welcomed O son and a Prophet.' Then we ascended to the second heaven. It was asked,
'Who is it?' Gabriel said, 'Gabriel.' It was said, 'Who is with you?' He said,
'Muhammad' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?' He said, 'Yes.' It was said,
'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!" Then I met Jesus and Yahya (John)
who said, 'You are welcomed, O brother and a Prophet.' Then we ascended to the
third heaven. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel said, 'Gabriel.' It was asked,
'Who is with you? Gabriel said, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?'
'Yes,' said Gabriel. 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!' (The Prophet
added:). There I met Joseph and greeted him, and he replied, 'You are welcomed,
O brother and a Prophet!' Then we ascended to the 4th heaven
and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens.
There I met Idris and greeted him. He said, 'You are welcomed O brother and Prophet.'
Then we ascended to the 5th heaven and again the same questions and answers were
exchanged as in previous heavens. there I met and greeted Aaron who said, 'You
are welcomed O brother and a Prophet". Then we ascended to the 6th heaven and
again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens.
There I met and greeted Moses who said, 'You are welcomed O brother and. a Prophet.'
When I proceeded on, he started weeping and on being asked why he was weeping,
he said, 'O Lord! Followers of this youth who was sent after me will enter Paradise
in greater number than my followers.' Then we ascended to the seventh heaven and
again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens.
There I met and greeted Abraham who said, 'You are welcomed o son and a Prophet.'
Then I was shown Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur (i.e. Allah's House). I asked Gabriel about
it and he said, This is Al Bait-ul-Ma'mur where 70,000 angels perform prayers
daily and when they leave they never return to it (but always a fresh batch comes
into it daily).' Then I was shown Sidrat-ul-Muntaha (i.e. a tree in the seventh
heaven) and I saw its Nabk fruits which resembled the clay jugs of Hajr (i.e.
a town in Arabia), and its leaves were like the ears of elephants, and four rivers
originated at its root, two of them were apparent and two were hidden. I asked
Gabriel about those rivers and he said, 'The two hidden rivers are in Paradise,
and the apparent ones are the Nile and the Euphrates.' Then fifty prayers were
enjoined on me. I descended till I met Moses who asked me, 'What have you done?'
I said, 'Fifty prayers have been enjoined on me.' He said, 'I know the people
better than you, because I had the hardest experience to bring Bani Israel to
obedience. Your followers cannot put up with such obligation. So, return to your
Lord and request Him (to reduce the number of prayers.' I returned and requested
Allah (for reduction) and He made it forty. I returned and (met Moses) and had
a similar discussion, and then returned again to Allah for reduction and He made
it thirty, then twenty, then ten, and then I came to Moses who repeated the same
advice. Ultimately Allah reduced it to five. When I came to Moses again, he said,
'What have you done?' I said, 'Allah has made it five only.' He repeated the same
advice but I said that I surrendered (to Allah's Final Order)'" Allah's Apostle
was addressed by Allah, "I have decreed My Obligation and have reduced the burden
on My slaves, and I shall reward a single good deed as if it were ten good deeds."
Here
again we see no reference to Idris being Enoch, if Muslims want to use the excuse
about how Enoch was caught up to heaven and that Idris was in heaven, this is
fallible due to the fact that all of these other prophets are mentioned too as
being in heaven. Again the Hadith doesn't lend any help on how Idris could be
Enoch. Volume
5, Book 58, Number 227:
Narrated Abbas bin Malik: Malik
bin Sasaa said that Allah's Apostle described to them his Night Journey saying,
"While I was lying in Al-Hatim or Al-Hijr, suddenly someone came to me and cut
my body open from here to here." I asked Al-Jarud who was by my side, "What does
he mean?" He said, "It means from his throat to his pubic area," or said, "From
the top of the chest." The Prophet further said, "He then took out my heart. Then
a gold tray of Belief was brought to me and my heart was washed and was filled
(with Belief) and then returned to its original place. Then a white animal which
was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me." (On this
Al-Jarud asked, "Was it the Buraq, O Abu Hamza?" I (i.e. Anas) replied in the
affirmative). The Prophet said, "The animal's step (was so wide that it) reached
the farthest point within the reach of the animal's sight. I was carried on it,
and Gabriel set out with me till we reached the nearest heaven. When
he asked for the gate to be opened, it was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered,
'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.'
It was asked, 'Has Muhammad been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative.
Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' The gate was
opened, and when I went over the first heaven, I saw Adam there. Gabriel said
(to me). 'This is your father, Adam; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him
and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious son and
pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me till we reached the second heaven.
Gabriel asked for the gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered,
'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.'
It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel answered in the affirmative. Then
it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened.
When I
went over the second heaven, there I saw Yahya (i.e. John) and 'Isa (i.e. Jesus)
who were cousins of each other. Gabriel said (to me), 'These are John and Jesus;
pay them your greetings.' So I greeted them and both of them returned my greetings
to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel
ascended with me to the third heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was
asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying
you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel
replied in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed, what an excellent
visit his is!' The gate was opened, and when I went over the third heaven there
I saw Joseph. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is Joseph; pay him your greetings.'
So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed,
O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the fourth
heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel
replied, 'Gabriel' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.'
It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it
was said, 'He is welcomed, what an excel lent visit his is!'
The
gate was opened, and when I went over the fourth heaven, there I saw Idris. Gabriel
said (to me), 'This is Idris; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he
returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious
Prophet.'� Volume
9, Book 93, Number 608:
Narrated Anas bin Malik: The
night Allah's Apostle was taken for a journey from the sacred mosque (of Mecca)
Al-Ka'ba: Three persons came to him (in a dreamy while he was sleeping in the
Sacred Mosque before the Divine Inspiration was revealed to Him. One of them said,
"Which of them is he?" The middle (second) angel said, "He is the best of them."
The last (third) angle said, "Take the best of them." Only that much happened
on that night and he did not see them till they came on another night, i.e. after
The Divine Inspiration was revealed to him. (Fateh-Al-Bari Page 258, Vol. 17)
and he saw them, his eyes were asleep but his heart was not----and so is the case
with the prophets: their eyes sleep while their hearts do not sleep. So those
angels did not talk to him till they carried him and placed him beside the well
of Zam-Zam. From among them Gabriel took charge of him. Gabriel cut open (the
part of his body) between his throat and the middle of his chest (heart) and took
all the material out of his chest and abdomen and then washed it with Zam-Zam
water with his own hands till he cleansed the inside of his body, and then a gold
tray containing a gold bowl full of belief and wisdom was brought and then Gabriel
stuffed his chest and throat blood vessels with it and then closed it (the chest).
He then ascended with him to the heaven of the world and knocked on one of its
doors. The
dwellers of the Heaven asked, 'Who is it?' He said, "Gabriel." They said, "Who
is accompanying you?" He said, "Muhammad." They said, "Has he been called?" He
said, "Yes" They said, "He is welcomed." So the dwellers of the Heaven became
pleased with his arrival, and they did not know what Allah would do to the Prophet
on earth unless Allah informed them. The Prophet met Adam over the nearest Heaven.
Gabriel said to the Prophet, "He is your father; greet him." The Prophet greeted
him and Adam returned his greeting and said, "Welcome, O my Son! O what a good
son you are!" Behold, he saw two flowing rivers, while he was in the nearest sky.
He asked, "What are these two rivers, O Gabriel?" Gabriel said, "These are the
sources of the Nile and the Euphrates." Then
Gabriel took him around that Heaven and behold, he saw another river at the bank
of which there was a palace built of pearls and emerald. He put his hand into
the river and found its mud like musk Adhfar. He asked, "What is this, O Gabriel?"
Gabriel said, "This is the Kauthar which your Lord has kept for you." Then Gabriel
ascended (with him) to the second Heaven and the angels asked the same questions
as those on the first Heaven, i.e., "Who is it?" Gabriel replied, "Gabriel". They
asked, "Who is accompanying you?" He said, "Muhammad." They asked, "Has he been
sent for?" He said, "Yes." Then they said, "He is welcomed.'' Then he (Gabriel)
ascended with the Prophet to the third Heaven, and the angels said the same as
the angels of the first and the second Heavens had said. Then
he ascended with him to the fourth Heaven and they said the same; and then he
ascended with him to the fifth Heaven and they said the same; and then he ascended
with him to the sixth Heaven and they said the same; then he ascended with him
to the seventh Heaven and they said the same. On each Heaven there were prophets
whose names he had mentioned and of whom I remember Idris on the second Heaven,
Aaron on the fourth Heavens another prophet whose name I don't remember, on the
fifth Heaven, Abraham on the sixth Heaven, and Moses on the seventh Heaven because
of his privilege of talking to Allah directly. Moses said (to Allah), "O Lord!
I thought that none would be raised up above me." The
only thing we find out new about Idris in this Hadith is a contradiction. In the
previous hadith from Bukhari, which is the most authentic hadith of Islam, we
see that Idris was in the 4th heaven while here we see that Idris was in the second
heaven!! This shows us that Muhammad couldn't even remember where Idris was stationed
at in Heaven and surely it proves that Islamic history is contradictory as well
as not providing any information on the character of who Idris was. You can even
read in the rest of these hadiths and you will find absolutely nothing about the
mysterious Idris. Complete
Sahih Muslim 001.0227
001.0309 001.0313 001.0314 004.1916 016.4139 021.4749 030.5779 031.6051 032.6246 Partial
Sunan Abu Dawud 012.2207
Complete
Malik's Muwatta 002.2.1.3
025.25.4.13 051.51.5.15 We
see that Islamic thought of Idris being Enoch has no Biblical or Islamic standards,
so where did Idris come from and who is the so-called Great prophet? The Quran
gives no clue and so too does the Hadith. But History does. And it doesn't look
too good about Idris There
were great doubts in the hearts of many in Arabia concerning Muhammad's prophethood.
Some of the contents of the Quran declare that it was not inspired by God. Lets
revisit the 2 previous verses mentioned about Idris again: Surah
19.56 Also
mention in the Book Idr�s: he was a man of truth (and sincerity), (and) a prophet: 21.85
And (remember) Ismail, Idr�s, and Zulkifl, all (men) of constancy and patience; Idris
isn't the prophet Enoch, nor is Idris even a human being read: Idris
is the Arabic pronunciation of Osiris. (Islam Muhammad and the Koran, pg.
59)Here
is more: Legends
say that IDRIS IS OSIRIS THE HERO OF THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN LEGEND.
Idreesa!!!!
Idris
or IDREESA in Arabic, is the 4th Arabic word going from right to left with the
!!! directly over it. 
Picture
of Egyptian god Osiris and Islamic prophet Idris. This
abosolutly unbelievable!! The Quran claims that Osiris the Egyptian god is a prophet!!
Wesir, also
known as Ausar and the Greek Osiris, is the Kemetic Name of the Lord of the Dead.
He is not to be confused with historical predecessors such as Wepwawet, Yinepu
(Greek Anubis), Sokar or Sobek. Wesir
is the son of Geb and Nut. He is married to his sister Aset (Greek Isis) and they
have a son Heru (Greek Horus). Much of what is commonly known about Wesir, Aset
and Heru comes from the Greek myths of Isis and Osiris. In Kemetic text, Wesir's
death is attributed to drowning, not the dismemberment myth created later by Plutarch.
The dismemberment myth does not appear until a thousand years later and may not
even be Kemetic in origin. Wesir, in fact, was never resurrected as many believe.
Wesir is Lord of the Dead and dwells in the Blessed Fields of the Dead. http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/anubis9/page3/Wesir.htm
Here
is more on Osirus The
ancient Egyptian god of the underworld. In Egyptian mythology the god who was
ruler and judge in the underworld and the brother and consort of Isis. He is identified
with the Nile, and his annual death and resurrection symbolized the self-renewing
vitality and fertility of nature. (The
Reader's Digest Illustrated Encyclopedic Dictionary, pg. 1203)These
two sources show that Idris, who is Arabic for Osiris is god of the underworld
from Egypt!! They might differ on whether Osiris was resurrected but they both
agree on the origin of Osiris. The
Koran declares that Idris, or Osiris, who was the ancient Egyptian god of the
underworld, is: ...
a man of truth [and sincerity], and a prophet. And We [Allah] raised him to lofty
station. 19:56-57. Is
Osiris the god of the underworld, or a prophet? According to the Quran he is!!!
Remember there is no evidence at all in Islamic history or the Quran to prove
that Idris was Enoch. This idea came along later with Muslims who tried to equate
Idris to Enoch. This is most embarrassing because it shows that the Quran has
fictional characters (to make it even worse, pagan gods) as prophets!
Some Legendary Figures
In
the course of developing its teachings, the Quran frequently cites the example
not only of prophets and sages of ancient times, BUT ALSO
OF SOME LEGENDARY, MYTHICAL OR EVEN FICITIOUS PERSONS. Chief
among these is Khidr, the Evergreen who, though not mentioned by name, is recognized
as the mysterious person (the possessor of divinely-inspired knowledge of the
secret sources of life) whom Moses met on his allegorical journey. (A Guide to
the Contents o of the Quran, Sherif, Faruq, pg. 94-95 Garnett, 1995, ISBN 1 85964
045 1) This
says it all, the Quran is a book which is invented by Muhammad's fanciful mind
and these erroneous legends prove this matter. If Muslims contend that Idris is
Osiris then how come they can't present any proof from the Quran, first and foremost,
and the Authentic hadiths to prove this matter? 6.25
Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to thee; but We have thrown veils
on their hearts, So they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they
saw every one of the Signs, they will not believe in them; in so much that when
they come to thee, they (but) dispute with thee; the Unbelievers say: "These are
nothing but TALES OF ANCIENTS." 8.31
When Our Signs are rehearsed to them, they say: "We have heard this (before):
if we wished, we could say (words) like these: these are nothing but TALES
OF ANCIENTS." 16.24
When it is said to them, "What is it that your Lord has revealed?" they say, "TALES
OF ANCIENTS!" 23.83
"Such things have been promised to us and to our fathers before! they are nothing
but TALES OF ANCIENTS!" 25.5
And they say: "TALES OF ANCIENTS, which he has caused to be written: and they
are dictated before him morning and evening." 27.68
"It is true we were promised this,- we and our fathers before (us): these are
nothing but TALES OF ANCIENTS." 46.17
But (there is one) who says to his parents, "Fie on you! Do ye hold out the promise
to me that I shall be raised up, even though generations have passed before me
(without rising again)?" And they two seek Allah's aid, (and rebuke the son):
"Woe to thee! Have faith! For the promise of Allah is true." But he says, "This
is nothing but TALES OF ANCIENTS!" 68.15
When to him are rehearsed Our Signs, "TALES OF ANCIENTS",
he cries! 83.13
When Our Signs are rehearsed to him, he says, "TALES OF
ANCIENTS!" If
the Quran is using ancient Egyptian gods as prophets then the unbelievers are
correct when they call the Quran TALES OF ANCIENTS. They made fun of Muhammad
because they knew that his stories were nothing more than mere legends of times
past. My dear friends Muslims can't talk about the Bible especially since Allah
claimed through Muhammad that Idris, Arabic for Egyptian god of the underworld
�Osiris� Tales of ancients? Yes the Quran is. For more information on the
tomb of prophet Osiris of the Quran, shown in this picture, you can go to this
link:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/osiris000216.html LINKS: Here
we see who believes Islamic fiction about Idris, Madam H. P. Blavatsky in The
Secret Doctrine:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/the/sd/sd2-1-21.htm
There is nothing surprising in this, for she also trashes
everything about
the Bible and Jesus Christ. Here
is a fitting addition to Blabber Mouth Blavatsky, for she was a male Freemason
by honorary decree-- I am serious-- and a personal confidant and other things
to Supreme Pontiff Albert Pike, ruler of world Freemasonry and Confederate General:
In the tradition of the
African Dogon tribe, Sirius is Nommo. 995 Nommo is also the name of the three
Great Initiates or happy astronomers of the Christ Brotherhood of Sirius. One
of these is the prophet Idris or Enoch. This inseparable trio of honorable sages
is reminiscent of the Three Principals in Royal Arch Freemasonry. http://www.ormus.ws/~alchemykey/p4.pdf Read
another Bible and Jesus hater as he calls on Mohammed to help him trivialize the
Lord's Church and ancient Jewish faith: http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/burton.htm
When these are the "expert witnesses" of the Idris / Enoch myth, then
we can only laugh and sincerely mock the idiots. They have a devil. Look
at the company Muslim revisionists have fallen in with as they try to make Enoch
into Idris: The
Great Teacher of these Mysteries is Hermes Trismegistus, the Lord of Arcane Wisdom
and archetypal Magus. Among the Gypsies, the cards were held to be sacred to Tro
or Tehutio, the Romany Hermes-Mercury. The nineteenth-century writer J. A. Vaillant
preserved some interesting traditions concerning the Tarot as the "sidereal Book
of Enoch," which as the "Wheel" (Rota) is linked with the circling revolutions
of the seven stars of the Great Bear constellation around the Pole Star as the
dispenser of fates and destinies to the world below. This suggests that we may
identify the Tarot, on the mythic level, with the Book of the Secret Wisdom delivered
to Enoch by the Angels of Heaven as recounted in the Cabalistic text Sepher-ha-Zohar.
Moreover, Enoch, a figure of deep import in the Western Mysteries and Masonic
lore, was identified with Hermes Trismegistus by the Sabaean cultists of mediaeval
Arabia. They regarded the Prophet Idris (Enoch) as synonymous with Hermes Trismegistus
as did the Mandaean Gnostics of Iraq. Thirteenth-century alchemical texts equate
Enoch as the Primal Instructor in the Mysteries with "Hermes Triplex," King of
Egypt. In mediaeval Masonry, Hermes-Enoch was held to have inscribed the Heavenly
Wisdom received from the Angels onto great obelisks, tablets, or pillars before
the Flood to ensure its preservation and for the illumination of postdiluvian
humankind. In a special sense, the Tarot might well be interpreted as this timeless
revelation, the original hieroglyphs of the Heavenly Wisdom. No wonder then that
orthodox churchmen from the Middle Ages to the Puritan Commonwealth maligned the
Tarot as the "Devil's Picture-Book" and for centuries issued endless prohibitions
upon card-play and cartomancy, for beneath the cryptic figures of the old card
deck they rightly sensed the signs of hidden knowledge, reflecting as in a mirror
the timeless essence of the Magical Art. This is the Art of Cartosophy, revealing
the inner Wisdom of the cards. http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/excerpt.php3?pn=K365 And
the farmer hauled another load away, and you could tell, by the smell, that it
wasn't a load of hay. Note
in the following excerpt from http://answering-islam.org/Books/Geiger/Judaism/chap21.htm,
that the myth of Idris and Enoch are coupled in fantasy contrasted with the biblical
account. Ishmael is also brought into Enoch's era, which is pure nonsense. It
is impossible to take Islam seriously when such crass blunders are foisted on
us as truth. Another
allusion to Cain is found in the Quran in a passage where he is called the man
"who has seduced among men."1 No one else is mentioned in this period excepting
Idris2 who, according to the commentators, is Enoch. This seems probable from
the words,3 "And we uplifted him to a place on high," and also from a Jewish writing
in which he is counted among the nine who went to Paradise alive. Jalalu'ddin
brings this point even more prominently forward4 "He lived in Paradise where he
had been brought after he had tasted death; he was quickened however, and departed
not thence again." He appears to have gained his name5 on account of the knowledge
of tbe Divine Law attributed to him. Elpherar remarks: "He was called Idris (searcher)
on account of his earnest search in the revealed Scriptures." It is remarkable
that in both these passages of the Quran6 he is mentioned after Ishmael.
Legends
from Saba were the foundation of Mohammed's cult, according to this report. Enoch
figures in with an apocryphal book attributed to him. Since no books were written
in Enoch's era, and word of mouth was the method of passing on the revelation
of Jehovah, the cult of Saba was simply a twist on the truth delivered by the
true Enoch. That they called him Idris follows closely the mythological notions
they held dear. That Mohammed claimed that Allah gave him the same line of cult
in a cave outside Mecca merely shows that he saw the usefulness of the Sabean
cult, probably having seen it in his ventures down the Frankincense Road to Yemen.
This quote is found at http://answering-islam.org/Books/Tisdall/Sources/chapt3.htm
Our knowledge of the
Sabians is slight, but sufficient for our purpose. An early Arabic writer, Abu
Isa'l Maghribi, is quoted by Abu Fida as giving the following account of them.
"The Syrians are the most ancient of nations, and Adam and his sons spoke their
language. Their religious community is that of the Sabians, and they relate that
they received their religion from Seth and Idris (Enoch). They have a book which
they ascribe to Seth, and they style it �The Book of Seth.' In it good ethical
precepts are recorded, such as enjoin truth-speaking and courage and giving protection
to the stranger and such like: and evil practices are mentioned and command given
to abstain from them. The Sabians had certain religious rites, among which are
seven fixed times of prayer, five of which correspond with that of the Muslims.
The sixth is the prayer at dawn, and the seventh a prayer, the time for which
is at the end of the sixth hour of the night. Their prayer, like that of Muslims,
is one which requires real earnestness and that the worshiper should not let his
attention wander to anything else when offering it. They prayed over the dead
without either bowing down or prostration, and fasted thirty days; and if the
month of the new moon were a short one, then they kept the fast for twenty-nine
days. The connexion with their fast they observed the festivals of Fitr � (breaking
the fast at the end of the month) "and Hilal� (new moon), in such a way that
the festival of Fitr occurred when the sun entered Aries. And they used to fast
from the fourth quarter of the night until the setting of the disk of the sun.
And they had festivals at the time of the descending of the five planets to the
mansions of their dignity. The five planets are Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus,
and Mercury. And they used to honour the House of Mecca" (the Kabab) 1.
From this account we see clearly that the Muslims have borrowed from this obscure
sect not a few of their religious practices all of which they believe were taught
them by Muhammad at the command of God through the Angel Gabriel. For example,
the Ramadan fast of the Muslims lasts 2 a month, from sunrise to sunset, though
the rule as to the exact moment when each day begins and ends is, as we shall
see 3, derived from the Jews. In Persia and some other countries a gun is fired
at dawn and sunset to announce the beginning and end of each day's fast during
the holy month. The Fitr feast at the end of the month is still celebrated by
the Muhammadans. They have, as is we known, five stated times of prayer each day,
at which prayer is optional, thus having exactly the same number as the Sabians
had. Bowing down (raku) and prostration (sujud) are enjoined in Muhammadan worship,
but not during the prayers offered at burials. Finally we have seen that the Muslims
still most highly honour the Ka'bah. Of course it is possible that all these practices
were common to the Qurash tribe as well as to the Sabians. Some of them certainly
were; but, if all had been, it would be difficult to account for the observations
made by the Arabic writer whom we have quoted. The supposition that many of these
religious customs were borrowed by Muhammad from the Sabians, and that their religion
in general (owing perhaps in a measure to its supposed antiquity) had great influence
on Islam at its foundation is confirmed by the fact that, when the Banu Jadhimah
of Taif and Mecca announced to Khalid their conversion to Muhammadanism, they
did so by crying out, "We have become Sabians." More
nonsense from Saba enters Islam (Same source as above):
Comparing all the early
writings on the Sabeans, we find that they inhabited Syria, and spread from there,
they were definitely pagans, having a mixture of Babylonian and Helenic religion.
The 'prophets' they professed to follow were Hermes and Agathodaemon, who they
identified in Shahrastani's time with Seth and Idris (O.T. Enoch). Gods who were
worshipped were the gods of the 7 week-days, the god of the Jinn, the lord of
the Hour, the god who makes arrows fly, the god Tammuz (a variation of the one
previously mentioned), Hamam the prince, the father of the gods, the god 'North',
the lord 'Fortune', etc. They also kept the Eid of their own. Further, the Sabeans
made star worship a chief characteristic of their system. For
a complete study of pagan origins of Islam, see:
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/pagansources.htm I
want you to read how the Muslim revisionists have played fast and loose with Mother
Goose to trash Jesus Christ and replace him in Bible prophecy with Mohammed. This
is where the world got Idris being Enoch. There is NO other source for this fantasy
in Middle Eastern and Ancient history. We take a portion from http://www.islam4all.com/newpage8.htm
This is a Muslim Revisionist site. The
Qur-an only mentions Enoch under his surname "Idris" - the Arabic form of the
Aramaic "Drisha" being of the same category of simple nouns as "Iblis" and "Blisa."
"Idris" and "Drisha" signify a man of great learning, a scholar and an erudite,
from "darash" (Arabic "darisa"). The Qur-anic text says: "And remember Idris in
the same book; for he was a just person and a prophet; and We exalted him to a
high place" (xix). The
Muslim commentators, Al-Baydhawi and Jalalu'd-Din, seem to know that Enoch had
studied astronomy, physics, arithmetic, that he was the first who wrote with the
pen, and that "Idris" signifies a man of much knowledge, thus showing that the
Apocalypse of Enoch had not been lost in their time. After
the close of the Canon of the Hebrew Scriptures in the fourth century or so B.C.
by the "Members of the Great Synagogue," established by Ezra and Nehemiah, all
other sacred or religious literature besides those included within the Canon was
called Apocrypha and excluded from the Hebrew Bible by an assembly of the learned
and pious Jews, the last of whom was the famous "Simeon the Just," who died in
310 B.C. Now among these Apocryphal books are included the Apocalypses of Enoch,
Barukh, Moses, Ezra, and the Sibyline books, written at different epochs between
the time of the Maccabees and after the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus. It
seems to be quite a la mode with the Jewish Sages to compose Apocalyptical and
religious literature under the name of some celebrated personage of antiquity.
The Apocalypse at the end of the New Testament which bears the name of John the
Divine is no exception to this old Judaeo Christian habitude. If "Judah the brother
of the Lord" was really the author of the one hundred and ten chapters bearing
that name, there is no wonder that Justin the Martyr, Papias, and Eusebius would
believe in the authorship of Matthew and John. I
received a letter from a self-appointed revisionist. I want you to note how this
person makes assumptions which he thinks have no other explanation, and then he
builds upon his assumptions, which he even admits no one else has discovered other
than himself. This is what we deal with from someone on a quest to find The Way
without finding The Lord Jesus Christ. His conclusions are off the wall since
he assumes his word declension is infallible, and he assumes the Islamic revisionists
will agree with him. Bah! This is the same silly method used by Robert Morey to
make Allah the moon god. Long
ago my work on cross-cultural etymology led me to the revelation that the Greek
+ Egyptian addendum "us/as/es/is" originally denoted the pictogram of an outflowing
of water. More specifically, it denoted a river flowing down from the original
source or spring. When applied to names, like the Hebrew ben (son/daughter of)
and bar (fountain or outflowing of aka son/daughter of), it meant "offspring of".
I have never once found another soul who had found this to be true, but my own
research affirmed it time and again.
So when one reads the Aramaic name Idris, they must realize that it is actually
Idr-is, or "son of Idr".
This leaves the name Idr to be deciphered. In etymology the letter *j is always
interchangeble with the letter *i, so Idr must be read as J-dr.
Going back to the time and age when Aramaic and Hebrew both stemmed from the same
family of phonetic sounds and thus the same laws of grammar, we must realize that
the Hebrew habit of deleting vowells found its way into the Aramaic world. So
we must re-insert the proper vowels into the name J-dr, but what are they? Thankfully
there is only a limited range of possibilities.
One place to look is to the Islamic teachings concerning Idris as being Enoch.
Enoch being the son of JARED, we are thus seeing that J-dr is a Aramaic form of
Jared, whose son would thus be called Jared-us or Idris.
I am not debating or arguing you about the mythological and historical roots of
the Koran or Mohammed's credibility. I am merely supplying you with an apology
which would serve the Muslim position that Enoch was Idris.
For that matter, I could probably punch more holes in the Koran than even you,
sir, but this is not my goal. I am merely in the habit and career of looking for
the grains of truth among the chaffe of cosmological mythology so as to help others
move beyond heretical dogma and into that which is most important to my-- the
inner light some call The Way. Did
you hear about the scholar who was so open minded that his brain fell out? Hmmmmmmm 
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